Hello ,
Recently I bought a tablet from Volumerates.com.
I found the product I was looking for, contacted their support and they confirmed that it was the real product.
I then ordered the item, but unfortunately when it arrived there were several mistakes:
- It wasn’t the same product. They have sent me a different product with a worse performance. The CPU is a low end one. Same with the GPU.
- Not only it wasn’t what I ordered, but it was also faulty. Some times it would boot up and some times it wouldn’t (the screen would go crazy like a scrambled TV channel). In addition to that the touchscreen was not completely secure to the tablet (in one edge of the screen we could almost see the insides of the tablet).
- In addition to be faulty, I was a USED product! One of the times it did boot to Android OS it was possible to see that there were several games installed and their scoreboards were filled!
I have contacted Volumerates, they apologized and asked me to return the tablet to them using registered mail. I did as they told me to do and send them the invoice of the shipping costs, but they refused to give me a refund for the shipping costs I had to pay to return the tablet to them.
I told them that at least they could offer me the shipping costs (around $20USD) in credit so I could buy other things from them and still they refuse to give me any money as either credit or a direct refund. I have threatened them with a PayPal dispute and they agreed to give me 10€ in credit and asked me to drop the PayPal dispute.
In the meantime, one and a half months passed since the original order and I’ve been trying to check on the status of the tablet to try to know when I was going to have the right tablet and they kept delaying responses and avoiding talking about the tablet. The only thing they kept saying was “could you please drop de PayPal dispute?”. After a few days, I told them that if they could not get me the right tablet, they I would like a refund so I could buy it from another place, and after that they started not responding.
Last week and since they were not responding I decided to escalate the dispute to a claim and let them handle this issue and today I was surprised with an offer from VolumeRates to refund me $35USD.
So, I have spent more than $157USD and all they offer me is $35USD. Don’t you think this is a joke?
To summarize, this is what happened:
- O ordered a specific model of tablet. Ainol Novo7 Advanced. I have asked them to CONFIRM that it was the real model BEFORE they ship it to me. They CONFIRMED IT.
- I have received a tablet and it was the WRONG MODEL. It was an Ainol Novo7 BASIC.
- Not only it was the WRONG MODEL, it was also FAULTY. Some times it would turn on and others it wouldn’t, giving me a fuzzy image (like a scrambled TV Channel). Some edges of the screen were lifted and I could see the internal parts of the screen.
- It was a USED PRODUCT! One of the times that it turned on I could see that it was used because there were no “Welcome Screen” to configure settings of the Android OS (Everybody who has an Android device knows what I’m talking about) and there were games installed already! And not only they were installed, but there were also some hiscores!
- I shipped the tablet back to them using registered email. They received it but started avoiding talking about it. They didn’t want to give me a refund for the shipping costs but after I threatened them with a paypal dispute they agreed at least in giving me 10€ as credit.
- After a while avoiding talking about the tablet they told me that they COULDN’T GET ME the ORDERED MODEL. I asked for a refund so I could buy from another place and since they stopped responding again I have escalated the PayPal dispute to a PayPal claim.
- Today I have received a message from PayPal Resolution Center offering me a partial refund of $35USD!
Is this a joke or what?
BUT WAIT! IT GETS BETTER!
Just check it out the PayPal Email:
Dear David Gouveia,
We are in the process of investigating the following claim:
Seller’s Name: Hanas tech
Seller’s Email: [email protected]
Seller’s Transaction ID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxTransaction Date: Dec 29, 2011
Transaction Amount: -$137.22 USD
Invoice ID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Your Transaction ID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Case Number: PPxxxxxxxxxxxxxxBuyer’s Transaction ID: xxxxxxxxxx
The seller has offered a partial refund in the amount of $35.00 USD.
Please log in to the Resolution Center and accept or deny this offer within
10 calendar days.https://www.paypal.com/pt/cgi-bin/?cmd=_complaint-view-details&cid=PPxxxxxxxxxxxx
We encourage you to consider the partial refund offer thoroughly. By
accepting the seller’s offer you will be closing this case amicably. If you
deny the seller’s offer, the investigation will continue. If the case is
decided in the seller’s favor, however, you may not receive a refund at all.Your cooperation is essential to the claims process and failure to respond
will result in automatic cancellation of your claim. Once a claim is
automatically cancelled, you forfeit the possibility of a refund.Yours sincerely,
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Are they kidding me or what? Is PayPal encouraging me to let go more than $100USD for something that was not my fault? Shouldn’t they protect the ones on the right side of the reason?
What could possibly be the reason for them to protect VolumeRates other than the money they earn in commissions from payments?
EDIT: Today I received another email from PayPal stating that they could not confirm delivery even though I have PROVIDED the TRACKING CODE:
Hello David Gouveia,
We have concluded our investigation into the following claim:
Seller’s Name: Hanas tech
Seller’s Email: [email protected]
Seller’s Transaction ID: 9HT97100FC7330801Transaction Date: Dec 29, 2011
Transaction Amount: -$137.22 USD
Invoice ID: 111229GE2GI8VRS
Your Transaction ID: 5HK1958606992362T
Case Number: PP-001-646-077-481Buyer’s Transaction ID: 5HK1958606992362T
The tracking information you provided was invalid and we were unable to
confirm delivery of the item associated with this claim. As a result, the
case is now considered closed and we are unable to process a refund.We encourage you to work directly with the seller to find a resolution.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
Protection Services Department
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been noted in the record of the PayPal user you reported. If we find this
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Now please tell me, how is it possible that they could not confirm the tracking code:
I even gave PayPal the opportunity to use my login/password to access the support system of VolumeRates and confirm all our exchanged messages but they prefer to look the other way and help crooks like VolumeRates.
I already contacted Mastercard and filed a fraud claim. Lets see what will happen but I’ve learn a valuable lesson:
PayPal? NEVER AGAIN. If you need any help they will only protect sellers to protect their income.
VolumeRates? Scammers, Crooks, Thieves of the worst kind! They will simply ignore your messages and will try to make you delay the opening of a claim until there is nothing you can do! Stick with other low cost websites like DealExtreme!
Edit #2 Mar, 06 2012
Today I went to my Bank and a fraud claim was filed against PayPal and VolumeRates:
They told me at the bank that it would take a week to investigate this issue. I hope this brings me good news!
Simply a SHAME!
I don’t know how this can be possible, I’m one of the persons that trust Paypal 100% knowing that if we do everything right, we receive our money back. In your case, you have done more than the right think! This is a strange Paypal behavior…
Maybe paypal support this kind of crooks… Just like that Chinese crooks think “we are in China, we can send everything to Europe that they wont send it back” paypal thinks the same way: “This crooks give us a lot of money but they are crooks, but we are paypal, we just decide not to pay and no one can go against us”.
Motherfuckers!
Too bad, Defenitly paypal fail,
BUT let me tell waht happened to me. I bought a ePad from chinabuye and it came DOA no wifi ! I KNEW i have to pay for sending the defective item with no refund of that (27USD)…, so I ask Paypal for a claim and I almost lost my money as You , the problem SEPOMEX and HOTMAIL ! sepomex did not upload the info about the tracking but after 9 days and paypal close the case since no tracking… I call by phone and get more time before the phone I did tryied email but hotmail fail more than 10 times to send the message (I tryied from GMail and it worked but paypal said had to be from the registered email :s ) IMPORTANT I return the item to the adrress Paypal said…, I didnt return to where chinabuye said else I would be crying next to you 😐
Finally, I did get my 75 USD I paid, and bought from another place NOT china.
I bought an Archos 70 IT and I’m very satisfied with it…, maybe later I will buy an Adavance II or Elf BUT from pandawill (they ran out of stock and I ask to cancel the order and my money was on paypal after 2 hours I dont garantee everyone will get their money that fast since the chat is very crowded and thats the only way)
Good luck
I’ve learned a lesson by the hard way.
Anyway, after one week of filling the fraud claim against paypal and volumerates my bank refunded me all the money. From now on I will only give money to those crooks ( I’m talking about PayPal, those thieves at VolumeRates won’t get any more money from me ) if I don’t have a choise (like 90% of the cases when I try to buy something on ebay).
And my advice is: Whenever you have problems with paypal related to somemething that you bought with a credit card, don’t waste your time trying to solve those issues with them but instead contact your bank immediately because you are covered buy an insurance (every credit card is).
They are out of business now. Website is down. They’re probably back under a different name.
I lost around 1k usd. PayPal is crap yeah.
Can you keep us updated?
Sure!
Anyway, be carreful with dealextreme. I have done dozens of purchases with them almost without any problems but I’ve noticed a tiny button under the description of the items related to wholesales with an image similar to the logo used by these crooks. I’m not saying that they are related (or even the same company) but i’m saying to be cautious.
The Bank refunded me the money and paypal locked my account because they received a complaint from my bank. Since I only use paypal as a last resort solution, and ebay allows me to pay for items using anonymous checkout I simply ignored them and left the account as is.
Like I said, if you have a problem, ignore PayPal and go directly to your bank!
Yes you are right . Volumerates, was some kind of clone shop of Dealextreme.com. Owners are same. Dx had in past couple shop like this , now don`t know.